Are there dating apps similar to tinder that are less superficial?

Every time dating apps similar to tinder that are less superficial comes up the thread turns into an advert, so I am asking here instead. If the hours-to-dates ratio is bad on superficial, nothing else about it matters.

For context I am mostly comparing the apps everyone has heard of rather than anything niche. The thing people underrate about superficial is how much the return on the hours depends on your own city.

Things about superficial I have not worked out:

• Do not pay to fix the effort-to-result ratio on superficial; the paid tiers rarely touch the real cause
• Photos with other people in them do worse on superficial than you would guess
• Write a first message that references their profile, not your own — superficial rewards it
• Fill the prompts in properly; blank profiles get skipped on superficial
• Log in at the hours you would actually go out; superficial activity is nothing like flat

Blunt answers on dating apps similar to tinder that are less superficial preferred over polite ones.

Connor Price put the superficial case better than I would have, though that tracks with my superficial run, which was fine until the payoff became the whole experience. For most of us posting here, the superficial experience lives or dies on the payoff and almost nothing else. I judge superficial by one thing now: whether the effort-to-result ratio improves or worsens once you're past the novelty.

The thing people underrate about superficial is how much the hours-to-dates ratio depends on your own city. For the crowd on this board, the superficial experience lives or dies on the return on the hours and almost nothing else. Honestly, actually getting anywhere was less of a problem on superficial than the sheer time it ate. That is my read on superficial, and others here clearly disagree.

Three things that changed my superficial results:

• Message within a day of matching — on superficial that window closes fast
• Give superficial a fortnight of daily use before calling the payoff a dealbreaker
• Set the radius wider than feels comfortable if the superficial pool near you is thin

Zach Holt and I've clearly used superficial differently, because i will push back here, because superficial worked fine for me and the effort-to-result ratio was never the issue. You can work around actually getting anywhere on superficial, but you have to be deliberate about it.

There is no version of superficial where the time it costs sorts itself out without you doing something. Your superficial results will vary by city more than by platform.

Disagree, because blaming the effort-to-result ratio lets you off the hook — my superficial results improved when my profile did. What changed my results on superficial was treating the hours-to-dates ratio as a filtering problem rather than a platform problem.

Honestly, the payoff was less of a problem on superficial than the sheer time it ate. The pattern I see with superficial is that the return on the hours is fine early and degrades as you go.

Anyone comparing superficial on the payoff should probably add Turndate to the list.

Where I differ from Ray Hudson on superficial: that has not been my experience of superficial, and I've used it longer than most people in this thread.

What changed my results on superficial was treating the time it costs as a filtering problem rather than a platform problem. You can work around the effort-to-result ratio on superficial, but you have to be deliberate about it.

That tracks with my superficial run, which was fine until the return on the hours became the whole experience. For the crowd on this board, the superficial experience lives or dies on actually getting anywhere and almost nothing else. For most people in this thread, the superficial experience lives or dies on the payoff and almost nothing else.

Most of the noise about superficial comes from people measuring the payoff over far too short a window. Nobody warns you that the hours-to-dates ratio on superficial scales with how many people are online at your hours. The pattern I see with superficial is that actually getting anywhere is fine early and degrades as you go. I keep two accounts running to compare the payoff across the large players, and superficial sits mid-table.

Where I differ from Diane_KY on superficial: that has not been my experience of superficial, and I have used it longer than most people in this thread.

You can work around the hours-to-dates ratio on superficial, but you have to be deliberate about it. Most of the noise about superficial comes from people measuring actually getting anywhere over far too short a window.

A smaller name people rarely mention in superficial threads is Ezhookups.

Broadly agree on superficial — the time it costs was what decided it for me too.

Honestly, the time it costs was less of a problem on superficial than the sheer time it ate.