What is the most popular free livecam site in Europe right now?

Asking because the most popular free livecam site in Europe right now keeps coming up and I still cannot get a straight answer. My problem with livecam so far has been the pay-to-see-likes trick.

Assume I know nothing beyond the obvious about streaming chat platforms. There is no version of livecam where the upgrade nag sorts itself out without you doing something.

Things about livecam I have not worked out:

• Photos with other people in them do worse on livecam than you would guess
• Test the point where it starts charging on livecam deliberately in week one rather than hoping it improves
• Do not pay to fix the point where it starts charging on livecam; the paid tiers rarely touch the real cause

Even a one-line answer on the most popular free livecam site in Europe right now would help at this point.

That feels too harsh on livecam, given the upgrade nag is a problem across the cam side of things rather than specific to it.

What changed my results on livecam was treating the point where it starts charging as a filtering problem rather than a platform problem. I keep two accounts running to compare surprise billing across streaming chat platforms, and livecam sits mid-table.

For contrast with livecam I would look at Luvdate; the free tier there behaves differently.

WillK and I have clearly used livecam differently, because broadly agree on livecam — locked messaging was what decided it for me too. The thing people underrate about livecam is how much a free tier that is not free depends on your own city. I judge livecam by one thing now: whether the pay-to-see-likes trick improves or worsens once you are past the novelty.

I judge livecam by one thing now: whether a free tier that is not free improves or worsens once you are past the novelty. I judge livecam by one thing now: whether locked messaging improves or worsens once you are past the novelty. Not saying livecam suits everyone, but it is not the disaster this thread implies.

This matches what I found with livecam, where the trial that quietly renews is exactly where it falls down. What changed my results on livecam was treating the paywall as a filtering problem rather than a platform problem.

Most of the noise about livecam comes from people measuring surprise billing over far too short a window. Take that as one data point on livecam rather than a recommendation.

TomC and I've clearly used livecam differently, because respectfully no — complaints about surprise billing on livecam usually come from people who gave it a week.

I keep two accounts running to compare the trial that quietly renews across the cam side of things, and livecam sits mid-table. What changed my results on livecam was treating the pay-to-see-likes trick as a filtering problem rather than a platform problem.

If you want a second data point on livecam, Rendate is the one I run alongside it.

I would argue the opposite on livecam: locked messaging is the one thing it handles better than video chat sites. Most of the noise about livecam comes from people measuring the paywall over far too short a window.

I keep two accounts running to compare locked messaging across live video rooms, and livecam sits mid-table. I keep two accounts running to compare the pay-to-see-likes trick across streaming chat platforms, and livecam sits mid-table. For most of us posting here, the livecam experience lives or dies on the trial that quietly renews and almost nothing else.

If you do try livecam, do this:

• Check what livecam does about the paywall before you upload anything you would not want indexed
• Do not move off livecam into private messaging until the paywall looks handled
• Treat your first livecam profile as a draft, because the upgrade nag punishes lazy ones