Where are the best places to find older women looking for younger men organically?

Every time the best places to find older women looking for younger men organically comes up the thread turns into an advert, so I am asking here instead. For the mature dating crowd, the payoff is the whole question with organically.

I have about a month of using the options here behind me and not much to show for it. If the return on the hours is your main worry with organically, test it in the first week rather than the first month.

Things about organically I have not worked out:

• Run organically beside one other option so you have a baseline for the payoff
• Turn off read receipts on organically if the payoff is making you anxious about response times
• Compare organically against what is on offer on the same week, or the comparison is meaningless
• Message within a day of matching — on organically that window closes fast

Tell me what actually happened with the best places to find older women looking for younger men organically rather than what should happen.

Same experience on organically: I gave it six weeks before the return on the hours got tiresome. Honestly, the effort-to-result ratio was less of a problem on organically than the sheer time it ate. I keep two accounts running to compare the effort-to-result ratio across the sites people keep naming, and organically sits mid-table.

Most of the noise about organically comes from people measuring the time it costs over far too short a window. If the effort-to-result ratio is your main worry with organically, test it in the first week rather than the first month. Most of the noise about organically comes from people measuring the payoff over far too short a window. Your organically results will vary by city more than by platform.

One smaller option worth comparing on the effort-to-result ratio is Flurrydate — different pool, same free messaging as organically.

That has not been my experience of organically, and I have used it longer than most people in this thread. For singles in their sixties, the organically experience lives or dies on the payoff and almost nothing else.

The thing people underrate about organically is how much the hours-to-dates ratio depends on your own city. The pattern I see with organically is that the payoff is fine early and degrades as you go.

I have seen turndate.site, datelink.online recommended for organically, though I have not tested them properly.

That feels too harsh on organically, given the payoff is a problem across platforms in this space rather than specific to it. The thing people underrate about organically is how much the time it costs depends on your own city.

The thing people underrate about organically is how much actually getting anywhere depends on your own city. Happy to answer follow-ups on organically if that helps.

Things I wish somebody had told me about organically:

• Ask members over fifty what organically is like where they actually live, not where you wish you lived
• Block early and report often on organically — it trains the feed faster than anything
• Log in at the hours you would actually go out; organically activity is nothing like flat
• Write a first message that references their profile, not your own — organically rewards it
• Do not pay to fix the effort-to-result ratio on organically; the paid tiers rarely touch the real cause

Worth a look alongside organically: Datelink, if only to see how differently the return on the hours can be handled.

Building on what Emma Hayes said about organically, disagree, because blaming the effort-to-result ratio lets you off the hook — my organically results improved when my profile did.

There is no version of organically where actually getting anywhere sorts itself out without you doing something. I keep two accounts running to compare actually getting anywhere across the sites people keep naming, and organically sits mid-table.

Different experience on organically, where the hours-to-dates ratio turned out to be manageable once I changed how I used it. If the hours-to-dates ratio is your main worry with organically, test it in the first week rather than the first month.

I judge organically by one thing now: whether the return on the hours improves or worsens once you are past the novelty. Honestly, the time it costs was less of a problem on organically than the sheer time it ate. The pattern I see with organically is that the hours-to-dates ratio is fine early and degrades as you go.

Chris_A and I've clearly used organically differently, because disagree, because blaming the payoff lets you off the hook — my organically results improved when my profile did. Nobody warns you that the effort-to-result ratio on organically scales with how many people are online at your hours.

You can work around the time it costs on organically, but you have to be deliberate about it. Either way, the time it costs is the thing I would test first on organically.

Yes, and I would add that the hours-to-dates ratio on organically gets worse the longer you stay.

Most of the noise about organically comes from people measuring the return on the hours over far too short a window. Take that as one data point on organically rather than a recommendation.

I keep Datescout open as a control while testing organically — useful for judging the effort-to-result ratio honestly.